A man wearing a hat sits behind a table of sauces while holding a chicken wing in his hands.

There may be no better interview format for revealing a person’s inner vulnerabilities than First We Feast’s Hot Ones — and it turns out Ramy creator Ramy Youssef, as well as being very funny, is also more than capable of being impressively philosophical under pressure.

« If we make this poetic it’ll hurt less, » says Youssef at one point, after using a retirement analogy to describe why he’s saving his milk for the final spicy wings rather than drinking it early. « Maybe that’s what all poetry is, just to not feel pain. That could be the meaning of poetry! I’ve never understood poetry until I had sauce number seven. »

Elsewhere Youssef also chats about his childhood, his experience of pitching TV shows, and his Netflix show Mo.